Dagmar de Vries

Trainer at Systemic Business School
“Leadership is the courage to be both the highest and lowest in rank.”

Dagmar de Vries (1984) started her career in disability care and youth care. It was there she discovered her love for system dynamics within organisations and social issues. She was a leader herself and subsequently pursued a political career. Dagmar has now been working happily from her own interim and consulting firm as systemic facilitator, trainer and coach. She helps to unravel complex issues within organisations with an in-dept systemic perspective and Rotterdam pragmatism.

In her role as a leader, Dagmar has often been amazed at how adults are influenced by the group, how skills suddenly seem to evaporate or how productivity in groups seems to drop substantially. Where does all the energy go? That was the question that drove her to understand more about what happens between people. And to understand how power and incapacity play a role in cooperation between people and systems.

Dagmar sees that a large part of leadership is about guiding the emotions that are released during work. In leadership, two systems come together: your own and that of the organisation. And both subconsciously exert more pressure on you as a leader than you would like. By increasing your systemic awareness and your leadership tools, you become an instrument that can be used for a greater purpose, without sacrificing yourself in the process. Systemic leadership enables you to give space where you previously thought you needed to have control, and where things were getting out of hand, you suddenly regain control.

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